Why does my 1911 hammer fall to the halfcock notch. The purpose of the half cock position has been for loading a 1911, as a safety mechanism, or for both reasons. I swapped back to the long trigger, and i could not get the gun to exhibit hammer follow. Buy a wilson or ed brown hammer and sear and put them in yourself.
The 5 calibers to claim the most powerful handgun in the world title reupload duration. My 2011 had a couple of instances of hammer follow at a match this weekend. I cant tell you how many times i took my 1911 apart to clean it and couldnt put it back together again. The new hammers are based on a 50year old colt national match hammer that had the ideal trigger pull. A 1911 that has hammer follow is a malfunctioning single action pistol, it has not suddenly become single action from something else. Need help, taking a quiz on da autos, watched tapes x3 cant find the answer. Are there any gunsmiths in washington state that might be able to fix it. Brownells is your source for 1911 hammer at brownells parts and accessories. Sometimes too, its alot safer to lower the hammer on a loaded chamber to safe the gun then to just count on the thumbsafety. Each hammer is tested on our certified rockwell hardness tester and provided with a test certificate. All a 1911 owner needs to do according to apex is to pair the new hammer with a match grade sear. Extreme engineering wide spur hammer bobed manufactured from a special steel alloy developed for aero space applications. Of course that was when i was first starting out with the 1911.
Buy 1911 hammer factory replacement gun parts, accessories and gunsmithing service on most manufacturers including browning, winchester, fn america, beretta, benelli franchi, stoeger, remington, bushmaster, marlin, sig sauer, hk and many more. Im hesitant to do this with live ammo after experiencing this failure. I had a pc 1911 that did this that someone decided to do a trigger job on, and when i. As i was having the sights adjusted at a local gunsmith, he noticed that when you rack the slide very quickly sometimes the hammer will follow down to the half notch. Id like to know how its faster for you to to thumb cock, then get a grip on the pistol vs. You just cant beat a 1911 with an excellent trigger. Extreme engineering wide spur hammer 1911 parts thunder. Troubleshooting hammer follow issues atlas gunworks. It is possible that constant beating it has taken when the hammer follows to the intercept notch has rounded off the sear angle. It shoots like a dream and the trigger is perfect with virtually 0 creep, and a very clean break. This is due to the missalignment of the 3 prongs behind the trigger, and i.
M 1911 mags hold 7 or 8 rounds, although there are pistols based on m 1911 design, that are of higher capacity usually 1214 rounds. Why some folks feel the need to drop the slide on a 1911 with empty chamber is beyond me. When racking the slide the hammer follows to the half cock position. One of the areas where you want to be especially careful about modifying your 1911 is in the area of trigger pull.
After polishing the parts of the fire control group i performed a test for hammer follow. Learn how to tune your 1911 sear angles and sear spring to reach a crisp 34 lb. Havent worked on 1911 s in a while but here are a few things to try. The entries that follow will cover completing assembly of the frame with the. Hes a competitive shooter and creates awesome 1911 videos. After installing the cammer hammer in his personal 1911, arnel bernardo, rock islands master gunsmith, wrote.
This is a discussion on 1911 hammer follows slide home within the handguns forums, part of the gun forum category. Hammer should not fall for any reason, unless the gun is a series 80 commercial. How to fix a kjw 1911 when the hammer does not comply and cannot lock back. Also make sure your sear face is engaging both hooks the same. If it is hammer follow down, the problem is almost always a too short or worn disconnector, but i would look at sear engagement first. Sudden hammer follow on 1911 1911style pistols brian. Shooting illustrated 1911 advanced hammer and sear prep. Am new to this and just finished building a sarco parts kit onto a rock island frame my first ever 1911 build. Guncrafter industries frag pattern cz 75 grips are machined from billet aluminum and then type iii hard anodized in black or slate green. Should you buy or modify a series 80 or series 70 1911. The way to test is to just rack the slide as fast as you can a hundred times or so and see if the hammer falls without any interaction with the trigger. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. The image is not to scale, but shows an accurate representation of the movement of all of the parts.
After the clp, i released the slide and the hammer dropped to. First off, id like to thank rio benson for making the absolutely amazing drawings of the 1911 which can be found here. Feb 14, 2016 never drop a hammer on a 1911 pistol with a live round in the chamber duration. What 550 is trying to tell you is that if it is trigger bounce, then the gun may not have a problem at all. When the short trigger is firmly held back, that is when the hammer follow occurs. If you keep the trigger pulled, the hammer follows the slide down, which of course is extremely dangerous. On the strength of quality, kimber has become the worlds largest producer of 1911 pistols. Personal defense and firearm education 241,597 views. Feb 19, 2010 was there ever a taurus 1911 that had a spur hammer. These pistols follow the same basic principles of operation as the standard m 1911. I swapped back to the long trigger, and i could not get the gun to exhibit hammer follow when manually cycling the slide. The widespur gives you more control over the hammer when you lower it on a loaded chamber. This occurs whether i have no finger pressure on the trigger or when applying finger pressure.
Whether your 1911 needs repair or you just want to replace the skeleton spur hammer with something a bit more traditional, our 1911 hammer is an excellent choice. These guns have a redesigned halfcock notch that engages near the atrest position, thus the hammer cannot fall hard enough to strike the firing pin with force. On a 1911 it is generally caused by someone trying to lighten the trigger pull and bending the flat sear spring too much. It is part of the safety check on a 1911 but thats it if your gun is working properly and you did not just do some internal work then it is not necessary to safety check your gun. Ive done dozens of 1911 trigger jobs and usually charge a third that. It has been my experience that if you drop one of our 5 piece trigger pull sets in your 1911 and the trigger pull is more than one lb. Taurus pt 1911 hammer follow northwest firearms oregon. It does not happen with i hold the gun so that the grip safety is not depressed. Hammer follow issue 1911addicts the premiere 1911 forum. I noticed tonight that i dropped the slide on my 1911 empty chamber on my 5 sig and the hammer dropped to the second notch. Do the sear first and if that does the trick, send the hammer back. Cause racking action release to battery wo magazine. Just learned this after a friend had his springfield armory 1911 discharge upon loading at range.
The most recent installation package that can be downloaded is 30. I will not be held responsible for any damage done with this model. The hammer follows to halfcock when i release the slide. Both the series 70 and series 80 designs have the halfcock hammer feature, but there are two different configurations. Briefly, half cock means the position of the hammer is partially, but not completely, cocked. I could duplicate it a couple times by aggressively racking the slide back without a mag in it. Well, actually, the worst that can happen is, it doesnt fix the gun and the hammer still follows. This free program is an intellectual property of falco software. Manufactures with variations include colt, springfield, remington rand, ithaca, and remington umc. Dec 20, 2015 here i follow nic taylors guide to tuning up my 1911 for a lower trigger pull weight. All engagement surfaces are correctly ground for positive hammer sear engagement.
This reproduction 1911 wide spur hammer was included on several early variants of the 1911. A 1911 that works properly is a single action pistol, period. I normally blend firing pin stop on my custom gun to transfer the contact and the force will. So i ran 1911tuners test to determine if it was the sear spring or the or the hammersear interface. As with all the pistols i know, model 1911 uses a magazine to hold the rounds. Available in a variety of styles and materials youre sure to find the perfect hammer for your pistol. Sell your game rich presence verification developer portal documentation. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the faq by clicking the link above. Hammer follow 1911addicts the premiere 1911 forum for. And if you drop the slide on an empty chamber you need to pin the trigger back first in order to eliminate trigger bounce.
I have been doing trigger work on 1911 s for over 20 years and never had this problem. That is a single action that you have to thumbcock the hammer on. A firearm malfunction is the failure of a firearm to operate as intended for causes other than. I got my 1911 back from clark custom gun a few weeks ago. The majority of 1911 s are unsafe to carry with a chambered round, hammer down. In which case, you need to find a 1911 smith who understands hammer and sear angles and can fix it. Bending the middle leg of the sear spring in should remedy the issue. The s70 1911 classic commander hammer is heat treated through out to 5054 rc for maximum wear resistance. I ended up with a hammer follow problem so i threw my light sear spring. This will lighten the trigger pull, but you can only get so much reduction in trigger pull weight before you get hammer follow. This is a new 5 1911 with series 70 egw internals, harrison trigger, 18.
Install the hammer, hooks forward, into the frame using the hammer pin. The above action can destroy a perfectly good trigger job. Springfield bought new in 1991 or so, it is the standard mod of that time now called the military. When evaluating a m1911 or m1911a1 you will find some manufacturers may have variations on hammer design within serial number ranges. Hammer followdown will not usually cause the pistol to fire. It has a very calming effect on leos to see that 1911 hammer down when theyre talking to you after an incident. Hammer has lowmass oval cut spur that reduces lock time. Recoil reduced because the force on the hammer is on the upper and traditional hammer design is low. Colt 1911, 1911a1, 1991, govt, mkiv, and gold cup series pistols.
Last night i was working the slide when i noticed the hammer would follow the slide and fall to the half cock notch. Type ii contains the following factory specification springs. Firmly grasp the hammer with thumb and fore finger which are clean and free of oil 3. My previous hammer would sometimes go to halfcock when letting slide return on empty chamber. Load too light for the recoil spring, recoil spring too heavy for load, extractor tension too light, worn extractor hook, loose or damaged ejector, loose grip when firing.
Either way, keeping spare parts on hand is a good idea. Please read our disclaimer since this can damage your gun. It is all assembled, but it has a hammer follow problem. Hammer follow persists, solved 1911addicts the premiere. Cost me a few seconds having to deal with recocking the hammer. Suitable for all applications with standard 1911 government grip safeties. Testing for hammer follow 1911 style pistols brian. Shooting illustrated 1911 firecontrol installation. Am i correct to assume hammer follow is not normalexpected under that circumstance. That completely bypasses the half cock notch, which is the only drop safety on nonfpb 1911 s. Looking closely at the video, it appears that the hammer drops at the bottom of the first bounce, rather than at the bounce itself, as seems to be widely reported.
Saves those easilyworn stones for setting hook heights and putting on the final polish. The wide spur hammer, commonly referred to as the type 3 hammer, was used on colt 1911 pistols from serial number 108,601 to 714,000. I didnt plan on cleaning it until after the next range trip so i just added some clp for a little extra lube. My latest project and last project before i leave for the military is my 1911 in 9mm. When i lower the hammer on my cz like i said it isnt voo doo you just need to be paying attention i simply 1 chamber the round 2. Hammer follow occurs when the disconnector allows the hammer to follow the bolt and firing.
Of course i reserve the right to be completely incorrect on how i am using the term hammer follow but to me it means the sear does not engage the hammer locking it back in the cocked position when the slide returns to the firing position. You may have a condition of the slide going into battery jarring the sear out of engagement enough to allow the hammer to fall all the way. When someone that knows more than is willing to teach, i am all for learning new stuff. Letting the slide run forward at full speed, with no magazine in the pistol, is harmful for your beloved 1911. This is a thread about how to function check for hammer follow. The darn thing would even follow when i had the trigger pull at 4.
I never lower the hammer on a loaded chamber on my 1911, i dont see the point. I would prefer not to have to send it back to taurus for repair. Whether your 1911 needs repair or you just want to replace the skeleton spur hammer with something a bit more traditional, our 1911 wide spur hammer is an excellent choice. Youre firing the gun, the slide cycles and recocks the hammer, but instead of staying cocked so you can fire the next shot, the hammer follows the slide down and falls to half cock. The hammer follow upon loading resulting in discharge upon completion of full battery. Cz75 frag grips full size guncrafter industries frag pattern cz 75 grips are machined from billet aluminum and then type iii. Hold the hammer back, then pull the trigger and bring the hammer to its decocked position. I have been working on my ed brown trigger for over 4 hours today trying to determine why i am getting hammer follow to the half cock notch. How to fix double triggerfull auto kjw 1911 hammer. Ready to install, fully finished parts give a crisp, clean trigger pull. I have a taurus pt 1911 that if you pull the trigger with the safety engaged, then release the safety the hammer will fall to half cock.
Below you will find images with links to closeups of these variations. I just had a double fire with hammer follow on a fairly new 1911 that had about 900 rounds on it and has not had the trigger group cleaned nor. This only happens when i have the grip safety activated. This is due to the missalignment of the 3 prongs behind the trigger, and i show you how to properly bend them into place. Excavator hammer for static modeling ready and tested for 3d print scale 1.
I started with a trigger pull of 5 lbs and just doing the following i dropped it down to 4. Manufactured from a special steel alloy developed for aero space applications. Oct 14, 2018 that would be where the new apex 1911 hammer in the more traditional spur style comes in. It needs to go back to sti or see a real 1911 plumber for a trigger job. Our builtin antivirus scanned this download and rated it as 100% safe.
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